tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7538801849812784311.post5354896188186140649..comments2023-05-02T04:17:09.271-07:00Comments on [Un] Closeted Pastor: Lent Day 12: LGBTQ Texts of TerrorCeciliahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10812791378130572065noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7538801849812784311.post-60468019579854185132009-03-13T10:20:00.000-07:002009-03-13T10:20:00.000-07:00thanks for this, Cecilia, and for your grace towar...thanks for this, Cecilia, and for your grace toward others. That's holiness.Diane M. Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07749136181846671327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7538801849812784311.post-30417460684084792542009-03-12T15:48:00.000-07:002009-03-12T15:48:00.000-07:00I think this is the first time I have seen someone...I think this is the first time I have seen someone else expound the "unnatural" and "natural" explanation. I can recall using it back in the late 1970's when discussing homosexuality with an evangelical friend. Then I said that for a gay person to enter into a heterosexual partnership would be "unatural" for them, and that the "natural" affections that heterosexuals have for the opposite sex is exactly the same feelings as the homosexual has towards their own sex. I didn't change his mind then, but it made him think, and now some 30 years later he is more accepting of difference in orientation.Rev. Richard Thornburghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01348972142475605435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7538801849812784311.post-33406463933956513952009-03-11T11:16:00.000-07:002009-03-11T11:16:00.000-07:00Thank you, peacester, for speaking out for holy pa...Thank you, peacester, for speaking out for holy pagans and those of other faiths, and thank you C. for affirming that wisdom. I squirmed a little when I read this but didn't have the courage/integrity to speak up. And did the same thing recently when a beloved RevGal posted the long version of St. Patrick's Breastplate which has something similar. This calls me back, thank you.Dr. Laura Marie Grimeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10372741914558791844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7538801849812784311.post-50538180066576067302009-03-11T07:57:00.000-07:002009-03-11T07:57:00.000-07:00Bibliolatrists: gotta love the word.Bibliolatrists: gotta love the word.murat11https://www.blogger.com/profile/00663364407992075130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7538801849812784311.post-16267614994621127402009-03-10T20:07:00.000-07:002009-03-10T20:07:00.000-07:00Anonymous-- I was wondering when you would show up...Anonymous-- I was wondering when you would show up! Welcome. <BR/><BR/>I disagree. Your certainty about the mind of God combined with the need to speak here-- anonymously, of course-- to correct us is, sadly, all too typical of folks who insist on using scripture as a bludgeon to confirm all their own prejudices. Try reading with an open mind-- "Jesus, the Bible and Homosexuality" by Jack Rogers is a good place to start. God would like you to stop hating those who are different from you. Try it as a Lenten discipline.<BR/><BR/>Pax, C.Ceciliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10812791378130572065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7538801849812784311.post-72639935215092140662009-03-10T19:06:00.000-07:002009-03-10T19:06:00.000-07:00Cecilia, I love your writing. Do we really believe...Cecilia, I love your writing. Do we really believe that God is active?? Or God stopped?Janhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08061517211101084120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7538801849812784311.post-15356794882644126902009-03-10T16:02:00.000-07:002009-03-10T16:02:00.000-07:00Your rationalizations may work in the GLBT echo ch...Your rationalizations may work in the GLBT echo chamber, but God will be less impressed.<BR/><BR/>Peacesters' second and third paragraphs give the game away-- you are worshipping some strange god different than the Triune God we know through revelation.<BR/><BR/>Repent, the Kingdom of God is at hand!<BR/><BR/>--a concerned ChristianAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7538801849812784311.post-53011280760268607432009-03-10T14:44:00.000-07:002009-03-10T14:44:00.000-07:00Cheese and crackers, peacester. I go making this w...Cheese and crackers, peacester. I go making this whole argument and then there you are, with your second paragraph, all true and everything!<BR/><BR/>Of course, you are right.Ceciliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10812791378130572065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7538801849812784311.post-47772545794292951802009-03-10T13:04:00.000-07:002009-03-10T13:04:00.000-07:00...and I am convinced that St Paul was writing a p......and I am convinced that St Paul was writing a particular letter to a specific context. He never thought that this letter would be used as normative for Christians 2000 years later. He could not have dreamed that his letter would be multiplied millions of times thought the miracle of printing; and that Christian people around the world would read it. I suspect that he would most probably have destroyed his letter there and then if had seen the cruel way it has been used/abused since then.Rock in the Grass (Pete Grassow)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16908394938958237614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7538801849812784311.post-68565266577561986922009-03-10T07:12:00.000-07:002009-03-10T07:12:00.000-07:00Hope so. :-) Thanks for this; hadn't really fully...Hope so. :-) Thanks for this; hadn't really fully fledged first point you made here. That's helpful!<BR/><BR/>Hug for you.Choralgrrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06657324651887737580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7538801849812784311.post-79692511750654619582009-03-10T06:53:00.000-07:002009-03-10T06:53:00.000-07:00paul also says that it's "natural" for a man to ha...paul also says that it's "natural" for a man to have short hair, which makes clear that natural for paul is about social expectations, rather than laws of nature.<BR/><BR/>good people, holy people, have faith disciplines that do not involve worship of the "one, true god," and i am no more willing to apply this text to them than to faithful queer and trans folks.<BR/><BR/>it's getting harder and harder to understand the bible as more than a search for a people to understand god. its truths are not really working for me anymore as anything approaching absolute truth.<BR/><BR/>peacesterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7538801849812784311.post-81187499810188345072009-03-10T06:38:00.000-07:002009-03-10T06:38:00.000-07:00Fundangelicals have a tendency to stop at the end ...Fundangelicals have a tendency to stop at the end of Chapter One here. They miss Chapter Two where the condemnation falls not on the people mentioned in the first chapter, but the reader, "Therefore YOU have no excuse..." I've tried to convince my own fundangelical family that the entire argument is simply whipping up the frenzy of zeal before dropping the bomb on the reader that they in fact are no better or worse than the "pagans".Rev. Raggsdalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13758964410206834685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7538801849812784311.post-79854295511223214722009-03-10T05:34:00.000-07:002009-03-10T05:34:00.000-07:00Well said!Well said!bugshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792421948266670049noreply@blogger.com